parkour orientated conditioning

while thinking about blanes "essays", 'dilution' i believe is the one i am referring to, i realised that although yes, we are doing conditioning, we may actually be gaining excess bulk that is not really needed in parkour, so maybe we should start doing more parkour orientated conditioning? For example, 50-100 small precisions, or 10 large, maybe 100 kongs? 20 cat leaps complete with climb-ups at the end, maybe put a small flow together and do that a few times till you physically cannot do it anymore, this is surely a sure-fire way to gain the strength needed in the right places to improve the right things?
id like to hear your views on this
landslands x

Hmm, I see what you're saying but I'm pretty sure than none of us are gaining 'excess bulk'! The idea of sport-specific exercises is good but in my opinion parkour needs to be supplemented with conditioning of different types. Doing 100 precision jumps or whatnot will obviously work your legs but it'll work the same muscle over and over again so who knows what muscles you aren't working, it would need to be well rounded rather than '100 kongs, 20 precision jumps' etc etc in my opinion anyway.

Anything is better than nothing though most probably, I just feel that it wouldn't be enough to support your body properly?

I agree with Scott well, yeah I think similar things anyway.

The repetition of techniques constitutes technique training really, i.e. your parkour training.This is what lots of similar sports training looks like for instance gymnasts and their 'numbers'.

Sports Specific strength comes from well designed strength training AND 'playing your sport'. So getting stronger in the basic movement patterns (getting conditioned in a way thats similar to the metabolic demands of your sport, also) and doing parkour/freerunning/gymspastics would help you improve/avoid injury.

Somethings work for SOME individuals, David Belle can take laaarge drops and jumps alot of the time for many many years and not have problems, as you can see even in your immediate community this does not work for all (even those who are veeery technically skilled).

I've been having a think about this.

Me, personally, think it would be a good idea to try this. As Scott said, I don't think any of us are getting "excess bulk" but then again, we've done like... 1 conditioning session in the past month. And apparently, to my knowledge, it wasn't very good. So I wouldn't expect us to gain excess bulk yet
I think sports oriented conditioning would be a good idea, training reps of precisions, cats, vaults, and climb ups, so that we could get better at the move itself and work the muscles needed.

I quote a Gymnastics Article:

Sports conditioning should be directly related to the type of sport in which the individual participates. A good conditioning program includes strength, power, speed, quickness, agility, movement skills, deceleration, balance, reactivity and anaerobic capacity. The conditioning program should be specific to the sport and should meet the individual needs of the athlete.

Yes, this is gymnastics and maybe people would be like "but its not gymnastics!!" but I still think it relates in some way. Sports conditioning would help us with the things we need, improving our performance a lot.

Maybe we should alternate. Or mix? Do some sports conditioning (precisions, a flow, cats, kongs etc) and then do some "normal" conditioning for those muscles that we may not have worked??

Get me?

Views.

i think a mix exactly 50/50 of each would be perfect that way we cant be doing wrong

Lands this is mostly to you, but anyone who else wants to join, can.

Seeing as we're out at 2:30 tomorrow, and it's right after games, do you wanna try out a 50/50 mix of condition and parkour condition?

Anyone else able to get off college/work to come join? Or is anyone free anyway?

yeah sure go for it andyvajayjay

I still don't think training is conditioning....
'Parkour Conditioning' is just made up, training is training not conditioning.
Conditioning is something you do in addition to training I would say... none of us will gain enough 'excess bulk' to hinder perforance I can assure you.

yeah i guess...but it wouold be nice to strengthen parkour-specific muscles...call it drilling if that makes you think differently about it?

yeah drilling is a nice way to describe it, but think about it, all your parkour training is drilling so you are constantly building those 'parkour specific' muscles every time that you train

True but drilling may not always be done. When we go out and train, we train different things. Flows perhaps, or just do move after move. We don't usually drill a particular move 50 - 100 times to get it perfect as most of us usually go by the "do it 3 times and you'll do it forever" rule. Which is know is SOOOO not true, but still.

I have not been to a training session where we have drilled a certain move over and over again until it becomes second nature. Unless that was the focus in the first place.


I think we should drill certain moves sometimes, but not necessarily all moves.
Moves that would be useful to our muscles but also our skill.

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Generally this is what has been occurring but in the form of a session focussed on 'balance' or 'technique' or 'strength' for example. I don't think doing the same move over and over again for a session would be very enjoyable for the most part? But focussing on an overall area like the ones above or a more general focus like 'rails' - but surely we should all know our focus(es) before we go out training anyway...?

hmm, yeah i guess so, but if its only a bit of a session, you could still enjoy that session and do the drilling, and i mean, you could enjoy a totally drilling focused session, just the same as conditioning...its hard work but the people that your with is what makes them enjoyable